The next to the last post, titled “Thomas Phipps of Pennsylvania and Descendants,” concerned a Phipps family which originated in Pennsylvania but which ended up in Cumberland County, Illinois. Mentioned was Hannah Marie (Neal) Phipps, who was born at Diona, Illinois. She married Napoleon Phipps who was born in Cumberland County, Illinois. Diona is an unincorporated place in Coles County, but right about on the Cumberland County line.
An individual who is buried at Diona, in Ryan Cemetery on the Cumberland County side, is James Phipps. A photo of his tombstone appears in Find A Grave here (click on the photo for a much larger version). His tombstone, as visible in the photograph, reads as follows:
JAMES PHIPPS
DIED Oct. 14, 1873
AGED
75 Y’rs 1 Mo.
[&?] 23 D’s.
Blessed are [?]
in the Lord
This would mean that he was born about August of 1798.
Also buried there is Margaret J. Phipps. Although no relationship is stated on the tombstones themselves, the individual who posted the photos in Find A Grave refers to her as the wife of the James Phipps mentioned above. Children are listed as Elizabeth Phipps (1822-1917), who married a Neely, John Rogers Phipps (1824-1908), Jesse Phipps (1833-1919), and George W. Phipps (1845-1916).
Margaret’s tombstone is pictured here and reads as follows:
MARGARET J.
PHIPPS
DIED
[(Note: The stone is cracked at this point, but appears to say Dec. something)]
AGED
77 Y’rs 8 Mo.
& 25 D’s.
Take them O earth, what ere is thine.
And in thy bosom let it sleep.
Thou canst not claim the soul divine,
The joyous spirit canst not keep.
This family shows up in the 1870 census in precisely the same location as the Thomas Phipps of the preceding post: Cottonwood Township, Cumberland County, Illinois. Not only that, but just like Thomas, James was born in Pennsylvania.
1870 census, Cottonwood Twp., Cumberland Co., IL, P.O. Campbell, 23 Jun 1870, p. 25, 174/174:
- Phipps, James, 72 [b. abt 1798], MW, farmer, real est. $3000, pers. est. $1200, PA
- Phipps, Margret, 67 [b. abt 1803], FW, keeping house, PA
- Phipps, George W. 25 [b. abt 1845], MW, works on farm, IL
- Phipps, Ellen, 21 [b. abt 1849], FW, IL
- Phipps, Clayton, 3 [b. abt 1867], MW, IL
The same family appears in the same location in the 1860 census:
1860 Census, “Cotonwood” Precinct, Cumberland Co., IL, P.O. Majority Point, IL, 14 Aug 1860, p. 198, 1463/1463:
- Js. [or Ja.?] Phipps, 62 [b. abt 1798], M, farmer, real est. $3000, pers. est. $800, PA
- Margaret, 55 [b. abt 1805], F, PA
- Geo W., 16 [b. abt 1844], M, IL, [attended school?]
- Jessy, [26?], M, [OH?]
An earlier post included various Phipps references in Coles County, Illinois, adjacent to Cumberland. One of those references was to a William Phipps, who according to the 1850 census was born about 1792 in Virginia, but with his wife born in PA. Reconsulting the census entries, VA does appear clear, but could it be a mistake? Was this a PA family?
One of the references in that same blog post was a statement by Jessie Phipps made in Janesville on 14 Jan 1913. In that statement, he says, “I, Jessie Phipps, was born in the year 1833 in Marion county, Ohio, and came to Illinois in 1840 to Coles county, . . . . “
This Jessie would appear to be the “Jessy” of the 1860 census listing above. That would make him a son of James and Margaret Phipps of Cumberland County, which is what the individual posting to Find A Grave (as well as another individual doing the same) has claimed.
Note also that Marion County, Ohio is the same location where Thomas Phipps married Eve Sutt on 17 Jan 1833, as noted in the next to the last blog post.
All of this would suggest that these were probably two Pennsylvania families – not a Virginia family and a Pennsylvania family – probably two brothers who moved into Ohio and then Coles and Cumberland Counties (adjacent) in Illinois in 1840.
One would think that perhaps the matter of this William was born in Virginia or in Pennsylvania could be cleared up if his 1860 census listing could be found, assuming he was still living.
This Thomas, James, and William were sons of David Phipps (b. in the 1760′s) and were 3 of 10 children born to David and his wife while they lived in Northumberland Co., PA, through about 1801 and later in Westmoreland Co., PA. This same David Phipps can be found in Marion County, OH, per the 1830 and 1840 census records as well as in Delaware Co., OH, per the 1820 census. I have been in communications with several descendants from different branches of this Phipps family. David’s wife left an old sermon book (photo’s of which I have seen), which outlines this family and the children of David Phipps. This Phipps family has for decades and continues to struggle to identify the parents of David Phipps.
Tim,
I am trying to get more info on the Sermon Book of Martha Lehna Phipps that has the family record. I would love to get some scanned images. Do you know how I can get more Info on that?
My cousin Evelynn Phipps Herring ALMOST has me convinced that there was no son of David and Martha Phipps (Marion Co. Ohio) named Samuel Aaron Phipps. Thats why I need more info from Sermon Book.
And, She also made me aware of a marriage record from an old bible that says that Jacob Phipps and “Betsy” Wyatt (Elizabeth) were married Jan 19 1814 in Franklin Co. OH. This is contrary to the marriage date of Jan 16 1815 that is in many of the rootsweb.com worldconnect family files. I still haven’t found the source of the 1815 date.
Confusing, HOWEVER, It is answering my questions of the parentage of my Samuel W. Phipps b. Dec 7 1814. IF, in fact, Jacob Phipps and Elizabeth Wyatt were married Jan 19, 1814 in Franklin Co. Ohio, they would have been married early enough for my Samuel W. Phipps to be their firstborn son.
I have seen it said that David Phipps ancestry was hard to prove. Most records show him as a son of Samuel Phipps son of Aaron Phipps. The oral history in the Samuel W. Phipps line reinforces that info through the use of the names Samuel and Aaron. I even think oral history was actually confused in our line, and Samuel W. Phipps was thought by his descendants to be Samuel Aaron Phipps. My cousin Evelynn Phipps Herring spent a while proving that he was Samuel W. Phipps b. Dec 7 1814 and not Samuel Aaron Phipps.
So, I think, THEN it was ASSUMED by the Sam W. Phipps descendants that Samuel W. Phipps was the son of a Samuel Aaron Phipps, when in fact, by the prior research of Evelynn Phipps Herring and Dot Baker, evidence keeps strengthening the theory that Samuel W. Phipps b. dec 7 1814 WAS the son of Jacob Phipps and Elizabeth “Betsy” Wyatt and that Jacob and “Betsy” were married Jan 19 1814, and their first son Samuel W. Phipps was born 12 months later.
If these people would have stayed in one place instead of running around settling the state of Ohio, this research would have been much easier. LoL. Cousin Evelynn figured out that our line comes from Sam W. Phipps b. 1814. It was previously thought by our line from him that his name was Samuel Aaron. This oral history info could have preserved the fact that Samuel W. Phipps was the son of Jacob, son of David, son of SAMUEL, son of AARON! Evidence has me almost convinced (which is a hard thing to do). And, another thought….Evelynn did alot of searching to connect Samuel W. Phipps to the Marion Co. Ohio Phippses and to his mother Elizabeth Wyatt…Could his full name be SAMUEL WYATT PHIPPS b. Dec 7 1814??
From: “Cathy Pierce”
Subject: [PACENTRE] Phipps family
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 19:36:04 -0500
Hello everyone,
I have just joined this list. I have recently been given some information that was located in an old family Bible on the Phipps family.
Jacob Phipps b Jan 14, 1795 Bald Eagle, Centre Cty, PA.
d Feb 1, 1848 (place unknown) married Betsy Wyatt in 1814 in Franklin Cty Ohio. Betsy was b1792 possibly in NY.
Jacob’s father was named David Phipps. B 1761 in Uwchland, Chester Cty, PA. D 1830 in Delaware Cty, Ohio. Do not know his wife’s name.
David’s father was Samuel Phipps (Jacob’s grandfather) Born about 1740 in Uwchland, Chester Cty PA. died 1810 in Bald Eagle, Centre Cty, PA. wife unknown
I am trying to find out the wife of Samuel and David Phipps, where Jacob died and any interesting tidbits about the Phipps family in this area.
I am new at researching PA. Most of my contacts have been in the south.
Would like to communicate with anyone who is also working on this family or any one who has some suggestions on where else to look.
Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.
Cathy Pierce
Researching Phipps, Roberts,Pierce, Stavely, Worsham.
I just found a sister to Sam W. Phipps. She was Elizabeth Phipps m. Theodore Stokes. They moved to Indiana and her father Jacob Phipps moved there too taking his second wife with him. (His first wife Elizabeth Wyatt died and was buried in Wyatt Cem Waldo, Marion, OH) I will be trying to find the grave of Jacob Phipps probably in Indiana.
THEODORE F. STOKES is the son of William and Sarah (Laskey) Stokes. The father was born in Philadelphia February 4, 1779, and the mother in the same city February 3, 1783. They were married by Bishop White in Christ Church, Philadelphia, November 12, 1801, and Theodore was born January 2, 1822. At the age of fourteen Theodore began clerking in the first domestic hardware store started in Philadelphia, and remained until 1841. He then came West and started a general store at Winamac for W. Brown & Son. June 15, 1843, he married Elizabeth, daughter of Jacob and Elizabeth (Wyatt) Phipps, and to this union have been born five children – William B., Emma W., Rufus B., Sarah E. and Schuyler C. The mother of Mrs. Stokes died in Ohio, in 1835, and the father subsequently married Margaret Gotshall, and came with her and his children to this county when it was quite a wilderness. In 1852, Mr. Stokes was appointed the first station agent of the L., N.A. & C.R.R. Co. at Francesville, and retained the position until 1861; he was then appointed to a first-class clerkship in the Land Office at Washington, D.C., and has now reached the fourth class, the highest in this department. He has passed all the chairs of the Odd Fellows order. His first vote was cast for Henry Clay for President. Mrs. Stokes is a member of the Presbyterian Church, and Mr. S. is an attendant of the same.
“Counties of White and Pulaski Counties, Indiana – Salem Township” by F.A. Battey & Co. – published in 1883
Peter,
Feel free to e-mail me direct (at ptphipps@att.net) and I can connect you with descendants of David Phipps who are fellow family researchers. This family line is not my Phipps line, but I have been researching all of the Phipps out of Chester County, PA. Per what others have shared from the sermon book, here are the 10 named children of David and Martha:
Children
1. John Phipps, B. April 6, 1788 Haines Center, Twp. Northumberland Co PA.
2. Elizabeth Phipps, B. December 13, 1790 Haines Center, Twp. Northumberland Co
3. William Phipps, B. November 17, 1792 Haines Center, Twp. Northumberland Co
4. Jacob Phipps, B. January 11, 1795 Bald Eagle Twp. Northumberland Co. PA.
5. James Phipps, B. August 22, 1797 Bald Eagle Twp. Northumberland Co. PA.
6. Thomas Jefferson Phipps, B. December 22, 1800 Bald Eagle Twp. Northumberland Co. PA.
7.David Phipps, B. September 5, 1801 Bald Eagle Twp. Northumberland Co. PA.
8. Sally Jane (or Polly) Phipps, B. July 6, 1806 N. Huntington Twp, Westmoreland Co. PA.
9. Katherine Phipps, B. June 9, 1808 N. Huntington Twp, Westmoreland Co. PA.
10 Caroline (or Carlin?) Phipps, B May 12, 1810 N. Huntington Twp, Westmoreland Co. PA.
I do not know if anyone in this family has thoroughly researched the line of David’s son Jacob, but if so, I have not seen their work. I have only seen a handful of referenced records on this Jacob.
Tim