More on the Phipps-Edney Connection: VA to NC?

A post earlier this month discussed the connection between the Phipps and Edney families. (See also another related post, which presented a relevant Bible record.) That data focused on Sussex County, Virginia. Additional data has been found that associates the two surnames in Orange County, North Carolina.

The gist of the earliest post, as far as the connection to the Edney family is concerned, was the following:

  • Jordan Phipps was a son of Benjamin Phipps of Sussex County, Virginia, and is named in Benjamin’s 1797 will.
  • Jordan Phipps married Penelope McCullock in 1793.
  • Jordan Phipps later appeared in the 1820 census in Williamson County, Tennessee, where he died 1826-1827 based on his will and probate data.
  • Jordan Phipps and his wife Penelope had a daughter named Patcy (Patsy). She married an Edney, and is called Patcy Edney in Jordan Phipps’s 1826 will.
  • This Edney is supposed to have been Samuel Edney, according to a secondary source. That source suggests that both Samuel and Patsy (Phipps) Edney are mentioned in the 1835 will of Samuel Edney’s father Newton Edney in Davidson County, Tennessee (adjacent to Williamson County, associated with Jordan Phipps).
  • Newton Edney married Penelope Phipps, widow of Jordan Phipps.

An 1864 estate file in Orange County, North Carolina is labeled that of Ambrose Phipps, but it actually concerns, as the records state, the estate of Elkins Cash. The file contains a petition described as being

of William Phipps, Stephen Phipps, Jane Phipps, Edney Phipps, John Phipps, The two last infants under Twenty one years of age, by their Guardian, Frederick Gear, and Alfred Veazey Admr. upon the estate of Elkins Cash who married Francis Phipps, and who is now dead.

This Ambrose appears to have married Frances, who later married Elkins Cash in 1856 in Granville County, North Carolina. Ambrose had married Susan by the time of the 1850 census. Then he married Martha in Orange County, North Carolina in 1867.

This Ambrose was a son of Dudley Phipps and his wife Mary Edwards, as is evident from Dudley’s will and from marriage transcriptions. Dudley Phipps was born about 1781 in North Carolina according to the 1850 census. Dudley married Mary Edwards in 1804 and then shows up in Wake County records from 1809 through 1830. He then appears in Carroll County, Tennessee records from 1840 until his will, dated 1851.

Ambrose named one of his children Dudley. He also named one of his children Edney. Edney is, of course, the same surname that had been associated with Jordan Phipps of Sussex County, Virginia and later Williamson County, Tennessee.

Edney is not a common name. Does this indicate a connection back to the family of Jordan and Penelope Phipps of Sussex County, Virginia and later Williamson County, Tennessee? Was it Jordan’s move to Williamson County, Tennessee that prompted Dudley’s move to Carroll County, Tennessee?

Again, Edney isn’t a common name. Ambrose isn’t that common of a name either, although it occurs at several points in the Phipps family:

  • The Ambrose of our discussion, who was born in 1805 in North Carolina, according to censuses and a cemetery transcription. An 1828 Wake County, North Carolina deed from the sheriff to him involved land owned by John Reves when he died. This Reves was very possibly related to the Reeves family closely associated with the Phipps family in Ashe County, North Carolina and adjacent Grayson County, Virginia. This Ambrose witnessed a deed in Durham County, North Carolina in 1843 and then shows up in Orange County, North Carolina records from 1850 through 1867, then in Granville County from 1870 until his death in 1879.
  • Another Ambrose was also born about 1805. This was Ambrose D. Phipps, born in Kentucky. He shows up in Clay County, Indiana records from 1831 through 1870. Clay County, Indiana seems to have had a Phipps link back to Ashe County, North Carolina. Matthew Phipps, son of Samuel Phipps of Ashe County, ran a store in Clay County until Matthew “died” (more likely disappeared) in 1841.
  • Another Ambrose D. Phipps was born in Clay County, Indiana in 1839, according to his tombstone and census records, and served in the Civil War from Illinois before showing up in Putnam County, Missouri in 1870. This is the same county where Jesse Phipps, son of Samuel Phipps/Betty Reeves of Ashe County, North Carolina, had died just 5 years previously. This Ambrose shows up in Sullivan County, Missouri, adjacent to Putnam, in 1880 and 1890, then in Grundy County, Missouri in 1900, where he was renting a farm, then back to Sullivan County. He appears to have been a son of another Jesse Phipps, born about 1811 in Virginia (Washington County has been claimed). That Jesse lived in Putnam County, Missouri in 1870, then Sullivan County until he died in 1885.

The 1850 census shows the family of the first-mentioned Ambrose. He is shown with a son named Edney, and with another son named Dudley, named after Ambrose’s father:

1850 Census, First District, Orange County, North Carolina, 3 Oct 1850, 1057/1057:

  • Ambrose Phipps, 45 [b. abt 1805], M, labourer, b. NC
  • Susan Phipps, 43 [b. abt 1807], F, NC
  • Mary F. Phipps, 18 [b. abt 1832], F, NC
  • Dudley Phipps, 14 [b. abt 1836], M. NC
  • William Phipps, 12 [b. abt 1838], M, NC
  • Stephen Phipps, 10 [b. abt 1840], M, NC
  • Jane Phipps, 8 [b. abt 1842], F, NC
  • Edney Phipps, 6 [b. abt 1844], M, NC
  • John Phipps, 2 [b. abt 1848], M, NC

It should be noted that the male Edney of the 1850 census appears as the female Edna of the 1860 census. Following the rule of the more difficult reading (the rule that says that if a reading is less likely, then it stands a higher likelihood of being authentic), it would seem that Edney, male, was probably correct and that the census taker in 1860 half listened and thought he heard Edna.

The Stephen above may have been the one of that name who appears in Civil War records from North Carolina. He is likely also the one who is said to have married Mary Bowden in Granville County in 1873.

An unconfirmed secondary source echoes part of the above by asserting that Jordan and Penelope Phipps’s daughter Martha (Patsy) married Samuel Edney, son of Newton Edney. The same source suggests that after Jordan Phipps died in Williamson County, Tennessee, his widow Penelope (“Nelly”) then married Newton Edney and that they moved to Texas in the mid 1830s.

Regarding this purported move to Texas, however, the book Red River Settlers: Records of the Settlers of Northern Montgomery, Robertson, and Sumner Counties, Tennessee by Whitley refers to Newton Edney of Davidson County, Tennessee. That will was dated 14 July 1834 and proved April 1835. It mentions his land on Trace Creek.

A prenuptial agreement between Newton Edney and Penelope (Nelly) Phipps, dated 1830, is noted in Johnson, Minute Book Genealogy of Williamson County, Tennessee 1799-1865. A secondary source (unconfirmed) suggests that Penelope was Newton Edney’s third wife.

More data appears in a transcription from the Newton Edney family Bible. Evidently some parts represent a transcription and other parts are embellishments added later, however.

John & Sam Phipps: Watauga to Ashe County, NC

Shull’s Mills is located in Watauga County, North Carolina. Watauga County was created in 1849 from parts of the counties of Ashe, Caldwell, Wilkes, and Yancey. The county is currently adjacent to Ashe.

In 1897, John and Sam Phipps of Shull’s Mills in Watauga County decided to trade farms with J.A. Walters in adjoining Ashe County. Walters lived at Beaver Creek.

Evidently this John and Sam were the Samuel Phipps who was born November 1859 in North Carolina according to the 1900 census, and his father John.

That census shows Samuel as living with his parents, John and Francis (Frances) Phipps. John was born Aug 1836 in North Carolina, and his parents were born in North Carolina. He married Francis (presumably Frances) about 1858.

Their son Samuel was born November 1859 in North Carolina and was married about 1878 to Sarah Emline (Emeline). Samuel and Sarah and their children were living in the same household as his parents. That was in Jefferson Township, Ashe County.

Watauga Democrat, Boone, Watauga County, North Carolina, Thursday, 11 March 1897, p. 3, under “Local News:”

Messrs. John and Sam Phipps. of Shull’s Mills, have exchanged farms with J. A. Walters of Beaver Crreek [sic; Creek], in Ashe county, and the parties have all moved. We lose two good citizens in Mr. Phipps and son, but gain four good citizens in Mr. Walters and three sons, who are all substantial democrats and are good men in other respects.

John’s death certificate says he was born 3 August 1836 in Alleghany County, but Alleghany County wasn’t created until 1859, and then it was formed from Ashe County. His death certificate identifies his parents as Samuel Phipps and his wife Grace Doughton. Samuel was born about 1812 in North Carolina according to the 1880 census.

Samuel Phipps/Grace Doughton lived in Watauga County. Unconfirmed sources say that she was a granddaughter of the George Reeves whose daughter married the earlier Samuel Phipps (about 1763-1854) of Ashe County. The later Samuel who married Grace Doughton is buried in Byrd Cemetery in Watauga County. According to his tombstone, he lived from 1813 to 1900.

Francis Phipps of Worcestershire: Connections

The last post referred to Francis Phipps of Shropshire, England, who came to Virginia in America in 1659. The question was raised as to whether he could have been related to the John Phipps who came to Virginia from Essex, England as a surveyor in 1621. That question remains unsettled, but it’s interesting to note that another Francis Phipps, who lived around the same time, was a son of Francis of Reading, Berkshire, and ended up in Worcestershire, which is adjacent to the Shropshire of the Francis who came to America. This suggests that there could have been other family members who migrated from Berkshire to the Shropshire/Worcestershire area.

From John Venn and J.A. Venn, Alumni Cantabrigienses: A Biographical List of All Known Students, Graduates and Holders of Office at the University of Cambridge, from the Earliest Times to 1900, Volume 1: From the Earliest Times to 1751, Part 3: Kaile-Ryves, New York: Cambridge University Press, 1924, 2011, p. 358, with added notes in brackets:

“PHIPPS, FRANCIS. Adm. [admitted] at KING’S [King’s College], a scholar from Eton, 1663. S. [Son] of Francis. B. [Born] at Reading, Berks. [County of Berkshire]. Matric. [Matriculation] 1663; B.A. [Bachelor of Arts degree] 1666-7; M.A. [Master of Arts degree] 1670; B.D. [Bachelor of Divinity degree] 1681. Fellow, 1666. V. [Vicar] of Blockley, Worcs., 1678-81. R. [Rector] of Upton-on-Severn, 1681-3. Married Bridget, dau. of James Fleetwood, Bishop of Worcester. Died at the Palace, Worcester, Sept. 2, 1683. Brother of Sir Constantine, Lord Chancellor of Ireland. (Vis. [Visitations] of Berks. [Berkshire], 1665, II. [Vol. 2] 195 [p. 195]; H. R. Phipps.)”

Regarding the reference to Eton and King’s, Vol. 1, Part 1 (1922 edition) includes the note under the heading “King’s” that “the foundation scholars and fellows, until 1865, were confined to those on the Eton foundation.” Matriculation is defined in that source as referring to when a student is formally admitted into the university, as opposed to simply being admitted into a college of the university.

The reference to H.R. Phipps comes at the end under sources, so probably refers to Major H.R. Phipps’s 1911 family history.

The reference to Francis Phipps having died at the Palace in Worcester might be a reference to what is now called the Old Palace.

The website for the Diocese of Worcester refers to parts of the building as dating from the 11th century and says that it was built as a home for the bishops of Worcester. That source notes that “Bishops and Deans have been entertained here for hundreds of years.” The facility is now being used for wedding receptions. The Old Palace is next to Worcester Cathedral in Worcester in Worcestershire.

This Francis is also discussed, with much of the same information, in Frederick Arthur Crisp, Visitation of England and Wales, Notes Vol. 8, privately printed, 1909, pp. 156-161. St. Nicholas Church, where this Francis was buried, is pictured here.

Francis Phipps: Shropshire to Jamestown?

Francis Phipps was mentioned a couple posts back as having come from Shrewsbury, Shropshire County, England to Virginia in 1659, at the same time as Francis Crisp. Both men came as indentured servants. At that early date, would there have been anywhere for them to go besides the Jamestown area?

Both Crisp and Phipps are shown in a table in the Virtual Jamestown website. Assuming that they did come to the Jamestown area in 1659, then what about the John Phipps who had arrived there earlier, in 1621? Could they have been related?

John Phipps appears to have been from Hornchurch, Essex County, now a suburb of London. Francis came from Shrewsbury, Shropshire County (referred to as “Salop” in genealogical sources). Shropshire, which borders Wales, is nowhere near Essex.

Austin/Astin? Pennsylvania/Virginia?

Is the Austin family, associated with the Phipps family in Ashe County, North Carolina, related to the Aston family, associated with the Phipps family in Pennsylvania?

An article on the Austin family, found in Boutetourt County Virginia Heritage, refers to the Austin family as though it’s synonymous with the Aston family.

That article refers to Aston family members from Chester County, Pennsylvania as coming into Botetourt County, Virginia by 1773. Specifically, the article refers to a William Aston who settled in the Tinker Creek area near the Phipps family, who had also settled there after moving from Pennsylvania.

Phipps & Crisp Families: Virginia and West Indies

A list of “Servants to Foreign Plantations” appears in Bristol and America: A Record of the First Settlers in the Colonies of North America, 1654-1685 by Harding et al. (1967), p. 62. Included in a list from 1654 to 1663 is ffrancis Phipps of Shrewsbury, with Virginia being his destination.

It may just be coincidence, but just several names away is ffrancis Crisp of Shrewsbury, also going to Virginia. The Phipps family and the Crispe family were closely associated in St. Kitts (St. Christophers). That was discussed in an earlier post. A 1712 record from there, written by Joseph Crisp of St. Kitts, refers to his daughter Mary Phipps and to several grandchildren named Phipps. (See also here.

The Shrewsbury being referred to is presumably the town in Shropshire in the West Midlands in England.

Then a web page on the Shelton family, which extracts information from The Complete Book of Emigrants, 1607-1776 (presumably the well known book of that title by Coldham) refers to a 5 Sep 1659 record mentioning Francis Phipps of Shrewsbury, Salop (that is, Shropshire), as bound bound to Theophilus Hone to serve in Virginia for 7 years, and Francis Crisp, also of Shrewsbury, as bound to Peter Pearce, a planter, to serve in Virginia for 5 years.

Shrewsbury isn’t an enormous city. Its population is only about 72,000 today, and was likely far less in the time of Francis Phipps. Were Francis Phipps and Francis Crisp closely acquainted? And was there some sort of connection with Joseph Crispe and his daughter Mary (Crispe) Phipps in the West Indies?

The name Francis Phipps, for what it’s worth, also appears on St. Kitts in early 18th century birth records (as well as a Constantine, which may suggest a connection with the Phipps family in Berkshire).

In addition, the British Library includes a 3-page document pertaining to a William and Alice Crispe in 1719, as well as Constantine Phipps. The only connection with Constantine Phipps, however, might have been in his capacity as Lord Chancellor of Ireland.

Earlier, a 1683 record associates Joseph Crispe with James Phipps, apparently in St. Kitts. Was this James Phipps the husband of the Mary (Crispe) Phipps mentioned earlier? If so, who was James Phipps and where did he come from?

In the record dated 2 Oct 1683, the council of St. Christophers brought up four related issues, all having to do with building the fortifications and the Session House. The four issues were to (a) set up a committee to contract with the workers, (b) appoint overseers, (c) obtain wood to burn lime, and (4) arrange for a ship to transport materials. James Phipps was appointed to the committee.

The council also decided at the same time that Joseph Crispe, of the council, should be appointed to the General Assembly of the Leeward Islands (or appointed to the governor’s commission to appoint representatives; it isn’t entirely clear.)

Richard Phipp, Lancashire, 1642

In Archives and Special Collections at Mount Holyoke College in South Hadley, Massachusetts is a document on vellum dated 1642 involving Richard Phipp. This is an indenture from Burtonwood, England which gave yeoman Richard Phipp land from Henry Barrow.

The document is dated 19 February 1642 and the transaction coincided with the impending marriage of Richard Phipp to Susan, daughter of William Smyth. The document is referenced here as a pre-nuptial indenture between Richard Phipp (1st part) and John Lathom and Henry Barrow or Barrowe the elder (2nd part).

Abstracts of baptisms at St. Michael and All Angels, Burtonwood Parish, Lancashire, includes various Phipp listings for members of the family living in the parish of Burtonwood. The baptismal dates are a bit too late to pertain to the same Richard, but they are presumably relatives.

Transactions of the Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, New Series, Vol. 10 (Liverpool: Adam Holden, 1870) similarly refers to a later Richard Phipp (1783-5, Warrington, Lancashire, pp. 105-106).

The names Phipp and Phipps have clearly been treated more or less synonymously in the past in the British Isles. The names Phipp and Phipps both appear in 18th century abstracted Buckinghamshire sessions records