John & Sam Phipps: Watauga to Ashe County, NC

Shull’s Mills is located in Watauga County, North Carolina. Watauga County was created in 1849 from parts of the counties of Ashe, Caldwell, Wilkes, and Yancey. The county is currently adjacent to Ashe.

In 1897, John and Sam Phipps of Shull’s Mills in Watauga County decided to trade farms with J.A. Walters in adjoining Ashe County. Walters lived at Beaver Creek.

Evidently this John and Sam were the Samuel Phipps who was born November 1859 in North Carolina according to the 1900 census, and his father John.

That census shows Samuel as living with his parents, John and Francis (Frances) Phipps. John was born Aug 1836 in North Carolina, and his parents were born in North Carolina. He married Francis (presumably Frances) about 1858.

Their son Samuel was born November 1859 in North Carolina and was married about 1878 to Sarah Emline (Emeline). Samuel and Sarah and their children were living in the same household as his parents. That was in Jefferson Township, Ashe County.

Watauga Democrat, Boone, Watauga County, North Carolina, Thursday, 11 March 1897, p. 3, under “Local News:”

Messrs. John and Sam Phipps. of Shull’s Mills, have exchanged farms with J. A. Walters of Beaver Crreek [sic; Creek], in Ashe county, and the parties have all moved. We lose two good citizens in Mr. Phipps and son, but gain four good citizens in Mr. Walters and three sons, who are all substantial democrats and are good men in other respects.

John’s death certificate says he was born 3 August 1836 in Alleghany County, but Alleghany County wasn’t created until 1859, and then it was formed from Ashe County. His death certificate identifies his parents as Samuel Phipps and his wife Grace Doughton. Samuel was born about 1812 in North Carolina according to the 1880 census.

Samuel Phipps/Grace Doughton lived in Watauga County. Unconfirmed sources say that she was a granddaughter of the George Reeves whose daughter married the earlier Samuel Phipps (about 1763-1854) of Ashe County. The later Samuel who married Grace Doughton is buried in Byrd Cemetery in Watauga County. According to his tombstone, he lived from 1813 to 1900.

Francis Phipps of Worcestershire: Connections

The last post referred to Francis Phipps of Shropshire, England, who came to Virginia in America in 1659. The question was raised as to whether he could have been related to the John Phipps who came to Virginia from Essex, England as a surveyor in 1621. That question remains unsettled, but it’s interesting to note that another Francis Phipps, who lived around the same time, was a son of Francis of Reading, Berkshire, and ended up in Worcestershire, which is adjacent to the Shropshire of the Francis who came to America. This suggests that there could have been other family members who migrated from Berkshire to the Shropshire/Worcestershire area.

From John Venn and J.A. Venn, Alumni Cantabrigienses: A Biographical List of All Known Students, Graduates and Holders of Office at the University of Cambridge, from the Earliest Times to 1900, Volume 1: From the Earliest Times to 1751, Part 3: Kaile-Ryves, New York: Cambridge University Press, 1924, 2011, p. 358, with added notes in brackets:

“PHIPPS, FRANCIS. Adm. [admitted] at KING’S [King's College], a scholar from Eton, 1663. S. [Son] of Francis. B. [Born] at Reading, Berks. [County of Berkshire]. Matric. [Matriculation] 1663; B.A. [Bachelor of Arts degree] 1666-7; M.A. [Master of Arts degree] 1670; B.D. [Bachelor of Divinity degree] 1681. Fellow, 1666. V. [Vicar] of Blockley, Worcs., 1678-81. R. [Rector] of Upton-on-Severn, 1681-3. Married Bridget, dau. of James Fleetwood, Bishop of Worcester. Died at the Palace, Worcester, Sept. 2, 1683. Brother of Sir Constantine, Lord Chancellor of Ireland. (Vis. [Visitations] of Berks. [Berkshire], 1665, II. [Vol. 2] 195 [p. 195]; H. R. Phipps.)”

Regarding the reference to Eton and King’s, Vol. 1, Part 1 (1922 edition) includes the note under the heading “King’s” that “the foundation scholars and fellows, until 1865, were confined to those on the Eton foundation.” Matriculation is defined in that source as referring to when a student is formally admitted into the university, as opposed to simply being admitted into a college of the university.

The reference to H.R. Phipps comes at the end under sources, so probably refers to Major H.R. Phipps’s 1911 family history.

The reference to Francis Phipps having died at the Palace in Worcester might be a reference to what is now called the Old Palace.

The website for the Diocese of Worcester refers to parts of the building as dating from the 11th century and says that it was built as a home for the bishops of Worcester. That source notes that “Bishops and Deans have been entertained here for hundreds of years.” The facility is now being used for wedding receptions. The Old Palace is next to Worcester Cathedral in Worcester in Worcestershire.

This Francis is also discussed, with much of the same information, in Frederick Arthur Crisp, Visitation of England and Wales, Notes Vol. 8, privately printed, 1909, pp. 156-161. St. Nicholas Church, where this Francis was buried, is pictured here.

Francis Phipps: Shropshire to Jamestown?

Francis Phipps was mentioned a couple posts back as having come from Shrewsbury, Shropshire County, England to Virginia in 1659, at the same time as Francis Crisp. Both men came as indentured servants. At that early date, would there have been anywhere for them to go besides the Jamestown area?

Both Crisp and Phipps are shown in a table in the Virtual Jamestown website. Assuming that they did come to the Jamestown area in 1659, then what about the John Phipps who had arrived there earlier, in 1621? Could they have been related?

John Phipps appears to have been from Hornchurch, Essex County, now a suburb of London. Francis came from Shrewsbury, Shropshire County (referred to as “Salop” in genealogical sources). Shropshire, which borders Wales, is nowhere near Essex.

Austin/Astin? Pennsylvania/Virginia?

Is the Austin family, associated with the Phipps family in Ashe County, North Carolina, related to the Aston family, associated with the Phipps family in Pennsylvania?

An article on the Austin family, found in Boutetourt County Virginia Heritage, refers to the Austin family as though it’s synonymous with the Aston family.

That article refers to Aston family members from Chester County, Pennsylvania as coming into Botetourt County, Virginia by 1773. Specifically, the article refers to a William Aston who settled in the Tinker Creek area near the Phipps family, who had also settled there after moving from Pennsylvania.

Phipps & Crisp Families: Virginia and West Indies

A list of “Servants to Foreign Plantations” appears in Bristol and America: A Record of the First Settlers in the Colonies of North America, 1654-1685 by Harding et al. (1967), p. 62. Included in a list from 1654 to 1663 is ffrancis Phipps of Shrewsbury, with Virginia being his destination.

It may just be coincidence, but just several names away is ffrancis Crisp of Shrewsbury, also going to Virginia. The Phipps family and the Crispe family were closely associated in St. Kitts (St. Christophers). That was discussed in an earlier post. A 1712 record from there, written by Joseph Crisp of St. Kitts, refers to his daughter Mary Phipps and to several grandchildren named Phipps. (See also here.

The Shrewsbury being referred to is presumably the town in Shropshire in the West Midlands in England.

Then a web page on the Shelton family, which extracts information from The Complete Book of Emigrants, 1607-1776 (presumably the well known book of that title by Coldham) refers to a 5 Sep 1659 record mentioning Francis Phipps of Shrewsbury, Salop (that is, Shropshire), as bound bound to Theophilus Hone to serve in Virginia for 7 years, and Francis Crisp, also of Shrewsbury, as bound to Peter Pearce, a planter, to serve in Virginia for 5 years.

Shrewsbury isn’t an enormous city. Its population is only about 72,000 today, and was likely far less in the time of Francis Phipps. Were Francis Phipps and Francis Crisp closely acquainted? And was there some sort of connection with Joseph Crispe and his daughter Mary (Crispe) Phipps in the West Indies?

The name Francis Phipps, for what it’s worth, also appears on St. Kitts in early 18th century birth records (as well as a Constantine, which may suggest a connection with the Phipps family in Berkshire).

In addition, the British Library includes a 3-page document pertaining to a William and Alice Crispe in 1719, as well as Constantine Phipps. The only connection with Constantine Phipps, however, might have been in his capacity as Lord Chancellor of Ireland.

Earlier, a 1683 record associates Joseph Crispe with James Phipps, apparently in St. Kitts. Was this James Phipps the husband of the Mary (Crispe) Phipps mentioned earlier? If so, who was James Phipps and where did he come from?

In the record dated 2 Oct 1683, the council of St. Christophers brought up four related issues, all having to do with building the fortifications and the Session House. The four issues were to (a) set up a committee to contract with the workers, (b) appoint overseers, (c) obtain wood to burn lime, and (4) arrange for a ship to transport materials. James Phipps was appointed to the committee.

The council also decided at the same time that Joseph Crispe, of the council, should be appointed to the General Assembly of the Leeward Islands (or appointed to the governor’s commission to appoint representatives; it isn’t entirely clear.)

Richard Phipp, Lancashire, 1642

In Archives and Special Collections at Mount Holyoke College in South Hadley, Massachusetts is a document on vellum dated 1642 involving Richard Phipp. This is an indenture from Burtonwood, England which gave yeoman Richard Phipp land from Henry Barrow.

The document is dated 19 February 1642 and the transaction coincided with the impending marriage of Richard Phipp to Susan, daughter of William Smyth. The document is referenced here as a pre-nuptial indenture between Richard Phipp (1st part) and John Lathom and Henry Barrow or Barrowe the elder (2nd part).

Abstracts of baptisms at St. Michael and All Angels, Burtonwood Parish, Lancashire, includes various Phipp listings for members of the family living in the parish of Burtonwood. The baptismal dates are a bit too late to pertain to the same Richard, but they are presumably relatives.

Transactions of the Historic Society of Lancashire and Cheshire, New Series, Vol. 10 (Liverpool: Adam Holden, 1870) similarly refers to a later Richard Phipp (1783-5, Warrington, Lancashire, pp. 105-106).

The names Phipp and Phipps have clearly been treated more or less synonymously in the past in the British Isles. The names Phipp and Phipps both appear in 18th century abstracted Buckinghamshire sessions records

Thomas Phipps of England: Potential Links to North America?

Prior posts have discussed the Phipps family of the parish of Westbury in the county of Wiltshire in England. One of the members of that family is discussed in Wikipedia as Thomas Phipps, who was born about 1648. He died in 1715. This Thomas is also discussed in a biography that appears in the History of Parliament Online website. There he’s referred to as a clothier of Westbury Leigh near Westbury.

Wikipedia describes him as an MP (member of Parliament) for a short time, first for Wilton and then for Westbury. Wilton was a parliamentary borough in Wiltshire. He was the second son of Thomas “Phipp” of Westbury, according to Wikipedia. That source says that the family of this earlier Thomas had “emerged” as successful clothiers in the 16th century. The History of Parliament Online says that the family had become successful linen drapers by the late 16th century.

According to the same source, “Phipps himself” (when two different generations had just been previously mentioned, but presumably the younger one, who was the subject of the bio) became “involved” in trading that involved East India, West Africa, and New England. As has been evident in other branches of this family, it could be possible that some trading links also involved some residence, for at least a time, in North America on the part of some family member or members.

The younger Thomas married Bridget Short, whose father was Peter Short. Their marriage is noted in Joseph Lemuel Chester, Allegations for Marriage Licences Issued by the Dean and Chapter of Westminster, 1558 to 1699; also, for Those Issued by the Vicar-General of the Archbishop of Canterbury, 1660 to 1679, London: 1886, p. 224, under the date 19 Jan 1673/4:

“Thomas Phipps, of St. Christopher’s, London, Citizen & Mercer, Bachr., abt. 24, & Mrs. Bridget Short, of All Hallows in the Wall, London, Spr. [i.e. spinster, simply meaning unmarried], about 20; consent of father Mr. Peter Short, of same, Citizen & Merchant Taylor; at All Hallows in the Wall, St. Alphage, or St. James, Clerkenwell.”

Bernard Burke also notes the marriage in the Short lineage in A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry of Great Britain & Ireland, for 1853, Vol. 3, London: Henry Colburn, 1853, p. 294.

One of their children was James Phipps, who served as Captain-General of the Royal African Company at Cape Coast Castle from 1719 to 1722. Cape Coast Castle was a commercial fort, known as a slave castle because of its use for holding slaves for transport. This one was on the coast of West Africa in what is now Ghana.

Another child was William Phipps who served as governor of Bombay from 1722 to 1729.

Wikipedia says that the Thomas who is the subject of the biography “acquired an estate” in west Wiltshire, without saying which one. He is mentioned as having become MP in 1701 for Wilton.

The History of Parliament Online mentions that this family settled in the county of Wiltshire by the 1450s (if not earlier). That was when an ancestor who was another Thomas was rector at Orcheston St. Mary, near Westbury.

The primary reason all of this is being mentioned here is because the possibility could exist for some practical link to America at some point involving some member of this family, because of its trading relationships.